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Macedonia Timeless: CC-Licensed Tourist Video

Cameron Parkins, January 28th, 2009

logoMacedonia Timeless is the name of a recently produced Macedonian tourist video written and directed by Milcho Manchevski. There is nothing new about these sort of videos being produced, but what is novel is that the video is being released under a CC BY-ND license, a decision that encourages the legal sharing of the video.

If the point of Macedonia Timeless is to drive tourism to Macedonia, then licensing the content in a way that allows legal re-posting shows foresight – fans of the video can upload it to whatever video sharing site they like as long as the provide proper attribution. You can watch the video on YouTube or download it here. Be sure to read Global Voices’ nice analysis of the video as well, which touches upon a variety of issues beyond CC licensing.

6 Responses to “Macedonia Timeless: CC-Licensed Tourist Video”

  1. Christopher says:

    Wow, excellent work! I’ve been to Greece this summer, macedonia has some wonderful beaches, especially the second leg of Halkidiki- best waters i’ve ever dived into! I am glad greece embraces creative commons and sets the example for other countries of the balkans to follow!great work Milcho!

  2. Marinos Papadopoulos says:

    I’m glad that FYROM has moved towards importing CC. I’m saddened, though, because artistically illustated propaganda such as “Macedonia Timeless” video does not move forward billateral relations between Greece & FYROM. However, this is not a forum to stress out things that we don’t agree upon, but rather to mention things that unite us. Congratulations to Milcho Manchevski on his initiative to adopt CC in his work. And a final note to Christopher: Halkidiki is a wonderful area of northern Greece, very close to the city of Thessaloniki. It has no direct and/or indicrect connection to FYROM as much as FYROM has no direct and/or indirect connection with the historical figures and artifacts that the aforementioned video presents as if it had been part of FYROM’s history.

  3. Makedonec says:

    Yes Greece is part from macedonia its true

  4. Marinos Papadopoulos says:

    An abundance of information regarding the ancient Greek past comes to us from the Greek Mythology. Unfortunately, Mythology cannot be a dependable source since it cannot furnish trustworthy information which would help us reconstruct the Hellenic past. However, it does not mean it is completely useless either. It elucidates through symbolism truths leading us to the right path while searching for historical facts through written or unwritten monuments. Such monuments are the only ones accepted by historians in their attempt to unlock hidden elements that hold the key to the reconstruction of the past of all Hellenic group of nations.

    Countries are products of historical events, which is why they are born and die. Nations do not. Nations are entities that take a very arduous time to evolve. The same thing is true for their appellation. Nations cannot be given birth and receive names whenever politicians wish by legislation, as it is the case of the FYROM.

    The present-day Hellenic nation is the result of social, civic and linguistic amalgamation of more than 230 tribes speaking more than 200 dialects that claimed descent from Hellen, son of Deukalion. The Hellenic nation is blessed to espouse in its lengthy life great personalities such as politicians, educators, soldiers, philosophers and authors. They have all contributed in their own way to the molding of their nation. They are the result of natural maturity and a consequence of historical, social, civic, linguistic and political developments that have taken place in the last 4,000 years.

    “When we take into account the political conditions, religion and morals of the Macedonians, our conviction is strengthened that they were a Greek race and akin to the Dorians. Having stayed behind in the extreme north, they were unable to participate in the progressive civilization of the tribes which went further south…” (Wilcken, Alexander the Great, p 22). Most historians have assessed the Macedonian state of affairs in a similar fashion. The Macedonians were a Hellenic group of tribes belonging to the Western Greek ethnic group.

    The Macedonians incorporated the territory of the native people into Macedonia and forced the Pieres, a Thracian tribe, out of the area to Mt. Pangaeum and the Bottiaiei from Bottiaia. They further expelled the Eordi from Eordaia and the Almopes from Almopia and they similarly expelled all tribes (Thracian, Paeonian, Illyrian) they found in areas of Anthemus, Crestonia, Bysaltia and other lands. The Macedonians absorbed the few inhabitants of the above tribes that stayed behind. They established their suzerainty over the land of Macedonia
    without losing their ethnicity, language, or religion (Thucydides, II, 99). They also incorporated the lands of the Elimeiotae, Orestae, Lyncestae, Pelagones, and Deriopes all tribes living in Upper Macedonia who were Greek speakers, but of a different (Molossian) dialect from that spoken by the Macedonians (Hammond, The Macedonian State, p. 390). Then, living with savage northern neighbors such as Illyrians, Thracians, Paeonians and later Dardanians, the Macedonians physically deflected their neighbors’ hordes forming an impenetrable fence denying them the opportunity to attack the Greek city-states of the south, which is why they are considered the bastion of Hellenism.

    N. G. L. Hammond states:

    What language did these `Macedones’ speak? The name itself is Greek in root and in ethnic termination. It probably means `highlanders’, and it is comparable to Greek tribal names such as `Orestai’ and `Oreitai’, mean­ing ‘mountain-men’. A reputedly earlier variant, `Maketai’, has the same root, which means `high’, as in the Greek adjective makednos or the noun mekos. The genealogy of eponymous ancestors which Hesiod recorded […] has a bearing on the question of Greek speech. First, Hesiod made Macedon a brother of Magnes; as we know from inscrip­tions that the Magnetes spoke the Aeolic dialect of the Greek language, we have a predisposition to suppose that the Macedones spoke the Aeolic dialect. Secondly, Hesiod made Macedon and Magnes first cousins of Hellen’s three sons – Dorus, Xouthus, and Aeolus-who were the found­ers of three dialects of Greek speech, namely Doric, Ionic, and Aeolic. Hesiod would not have recorded this relationship, unless he had believed, probably in the seventh century, that the Macedones were a Greek­ speaking people. The next evidence comes from Persia. At the turn of the sixth century the Persians described the tribute-paying peoples of their province in Europe, and one of them was the `yauna takabara’, which meant `Greeks wearing the hat’. There were Greeks in Greek city-states here and there in the province, but they were of various origins and not distinguished by a common hat. However, the Macedonians wore a dis­tinctive hat, the kausia. We conclude that the Persians believed the Macedonians to be speakers of Greek. Finally, in the latter part of the fifth century a Greek historian, Hellanicus, visited Macedonia and modi­fied Hesiod’s genealogy by making Macedon not a cousin, but a son of Aeolus, thus bringing Macedon and his descendants firmly into the Aeolic branch of the Greek-speaking family. Hesiod, Persia, and Hellanicus had no motive for making a false statement about the language of the Macedonians, who were then an obscure and not a powerful people. Their independent testimonies should be accepted as conclusive (N.G.L. Hammond, The Macedonian State, p.12-13).

    The evidence above shows that the ancient Macedonians were one of the Hellenic groups of tribes speaking a Greek dialect and having the same institutions as the Spartans and especially the Greeks of the Western group of nations. Thus, the fallacies emanated from the FYROM and its diaspora are strongly repudiated.

    Marcus A. Templar
    See more regarding the FALLACIES AND FACTS ON THE MACEDONIAN ISSUE at URL: http://history-of-macedonia.com/wordpress/2007/03/22/fallacies-and-facts-on-the-macedonian-issue-marcus-templar

  5. Zlatko says:

    Wow, you Greeks are sooooooo boring!!! Can’t you just leave the Macedonians alone??? It is not ALL about you, you know…
    Just enjoy the promo video and come visit Macedonia – The Republic of Macedonia.

  6. Hi all,

    A much better place to debate naming is the talk pages of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_%28terminology%29 and related articles.

    I apologize for the above post. We try to avoid tripping nationalist concerns, which are particularly evident in several regions of the world (the main reason we steadfastly use the term “jurisdiction” rather than “country”), but this slipped through.

    Enjoy,
    Mike

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